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9/14/2007 9:11:23 AM
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Hi
I am a roman catholic and I have always been a christian.
Now I am beginning to question the beliefs about
that were ingrained into me when I was a kid.
Well,I would like to tell you first that a while back,I had
a chat with someone who runs a similar website on
Jesus. When I brought forward some really hard-hitting
questions,he got offended and replied back to me
saying that I wasn't interested in learning and that I
am anti-christian and I was making a mockery of the
trial Jesus went through.
According to me,that was nothing but
closed-mindedness.
I would request you to take a look at my questions and
ideas with an open mind and from the perspective of a
non-Christian as well.I must tell you that what I
write in this email might sound offensive to you
though I have no intention of doing so.
I have been told time and again that "If you believe
that there is truth in this
world, right and wrong, then it makes sense that only
one religion can be right and the rest must be wrong.
Which one are you going to choose?"...
My answer -Is God fair in saving only those who
believe he sent his Son to die on the cross for our
sins? I am told that everyone has the
chance to be saved. So what about the billions of
Indians, Chinese and other races who are brought up in
a different faith?
Another point - lets say, I am supposed to preach the
gospel to some individual or group, but I fail to do
my job properly. For example, I refuse to preach
Christianity to my children. Does this mean that they
are likely to go to hell because of MY failure? Again,
it's monstrously unfair.
Whether we believe it or not,it is a fact that the
world
over, the vast majority of children follow the
religion
of their parents rather than any of the other
available
religions."Again,The idea of such children being
condemned will not make any sense to a person of
logic.So,in a way,what most of us do is we use guilt
or
the fear of punishment or eternal damnation to make
someone "believe".
Most religions openly recognise the human right to
have
faith as you see fit. What I don't see is how any one
religion can logically be any more correct than
another.
Were I to have fallen from the sky today, dumb to all
religions and raised as a foundling, I would cling to
the first religion presented to me,as any person would
in a similar case.
Ask yourself- Why are there lots of Christians in
Europe & America? Why are there lots of Muslims in the
Middle East, Hindus in India and Buddhists in Asia?
This
obvious fact is rarely given any consideration by any
of
us. Putting it bluntly, the vast majority of people
across the world blindly follow the beliefs handed
down
from their parents or community.
And ,even in your case and my case,the convictions
that you and I so passionately believe would have been
a
completely different, and largely contradictory, set
of
convictions, if only we had happened to be born in a
different place.Of course, there are people who
convert
from one religion to another, or abandon the religion
of
their parents, but these are few & far between.
I think that this world would be a much better place
if
we were taught how to think for ourselves and not be
brainwashed or bullied into believing something just
because somebody tells us we have to believe it.
The fear of being tormented in hell for eternity is a
horrible thing,atleast for me,when I was a kid.
Why are Christians commanded to preach the gospel and
convert people to Christianity? The standard answer is
that people need to hear the gospel so that they can
be
saved. So what happens to people who never hear the
gospel? Some Christians will answer that God will
judge
them according to their thoughts and deeds, because he
is fair. So why bother to tell them about Jesus then?
Other Christians will tell you that those people go to
hell, which is pretty unfair. Either way you look at
it,
it's pretty darned ridiculous!
So,I am told that- you know know God is fair, so he
must
make some kind of allowance so that those people can
get
to heaven. Perhaps they get the chance to receive
Christ
after they die? Well in that case, why bother
evangelising?
If he was really fair, he would give everyone an equal
chance to either accept him or reject him. Nobody
would
die prematurely, nobody would be indoctrinated with
false beliefs by their parents, everyone would have an
equal chance for paradise.
The notion that from the moment you are born, you are
immediately sentenced to everlasting torment unless
you
take some kind of drastic action has to be one of the
most depressing beliefs ever to take hold of the
planet.
Let's consider the following scenario. One day at
home
you are minding your business, when there is a knock
at
the door. A cop appears and informs you that you are
under arrest. When you ask what for, he replies that
your great-grandfather murdered somebody 80 years ago,
and therefore you are on trial for murder. As you
stand
there gobsmacked, he informs you that there is a way
out, if you get down on your knees and grovel to him
for
24 hours, then pay a large fine, you will be released.
He tells you that this is "good news", and you should
be
extremely grateful to him for giving you this chance
to
avoid punishment for your great-grandfather's crime.
Can you see how horribly unfair this is? Whether or
not
you believe in a literal Adam and Eve, the idea that
billions of people are going to be punished because of
what some human being(s) did thousands of years ago is
unfair, immoral and completely unjust. We are told
that
we have a "sinful nature", and this is what condems us
to hell. Well, consider this: it is in the nature of
cats to kill mice, so should we prosecute them for
this?
It would hardly be fair. We are then told that we
choose
to sin, and therefore we *are* responsible. Well, the
Bible tells us that "all have sinned", in other words
because some ancient human sinned, there isn't any
possibility that anyone will ever live a sinless life,
either now or in the future.
I believe with all my heart that God does not favour
one
race or religion over another, nor does he send people
to everlasting punishment for one minor offence or for
the simple mistake of believing the wrong doctrine.
The
suffering in the world is due to our own rebellion in
the spiritual world, not because a snake told a woman
to
eat an apple. How could the man have possibly sinned
before he was born? - again a question which begs to
be
answered with a logical perspective rather than just
pure religious dogma that has been ingrained into us.
In the end,I am more in favour of accepting the idea
of a
God
who created the universe, put in place the laws of
physics and let evolution run its course. Just because
there is suffering doesn't mean God is uncaring.
I don't hold any grudges against my parents or anyone
else for preaching Christianity at me when I was young
-
I realise they were only trying to "save" my soul, and
they had been brought up as Christians by their
parents,
so were just passing on beliefs that had been
indoctrinated into me.
There was a time when I had the following views:-
- we christians were right and everyone else was wrong
- the world was full of unsaved people who desperately
needed Jesus but didn't know it, and they would all go
to hell unless we helped to bring them to him
- all other religions were counterfeits, diabolical
traps laid by Satan to catch people
- we are the lucky ones as we are going to heaven
(some
people even said we were chosen personally by God)
Now here's my "new" view :-
- the world has lots of different religions for the
same
reason it has lots of languages - culture &
geographical
distance
- most people are christians because they were born in
a
christian culture, or they were searching for anything
to fill a void in their lives, not because they were
"chosen".
I would like to hear your views on this.
Thanks,
Jimmy
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Thanks so much for your questions, Jimmy. Let me start by assuring you that this website is all about the hard-hitting questions. People have every right to ask tough questions. It's not about having a lack of faith, it's about ensuring that our faith is grounded on something solid. So, please ask anything you like.
I'd like to start by pointing you toward articles that address some of your questions. You may find these articles helpful, and if so that's great. If not, I hope you will come back and let us know where we can give you some more answers. All the articles can be found from the menu above by going to "Discovery" and then "Articles"
You asked about people who never hear the Gospel - there is an article called, " Do People Who Don't Believe in Jesus Go To Hell?". I think this is the best place to start looking for answers. You've also expressed some concern about the fairness of hell, and you might find some answers in the article, "How Can a Loving God Send People to Hell?" You've provided your email address to me, so I will send you links to those two articles.
I don't want to pretend that these articles are going to magically make all your doubts disappear - you've asked some very deep and very excellent questions - but I do think it's the right place to start. I hope these articles are helpful, but if not, please don't hesitate to come back and post a comment here to let us know. These are important issues, Jimmy, so please know that our staff and members will continue to try and answer all your questions for as long as you wish. These articles are just the place to start.
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arsindelve-
9/14/2007 9:32:11 AM
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The bulk of your question concerns the fact that people are most likely to adopt whatever religion they are raised in, or whatever religion to which they are first exposed. This seems really unfair in the light of the idea that only Christians are going to Heaven. Does this not put the Muslim or Hindu at a severe disadvantage, having not been raised in or exposed to the Christian faith? These are excellent points, and we do not have an article on the website to explain it. I will take some time and ponder these issues and write an article to try and tackle these questions because I think it's very important.
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arsindelve-
9/14/2007 9:39:47 AM
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Jimmy,
I think that you have to decide whether you think God is fair or not fair before you go any further. If you think God is unfair, then God is not a great God at all. If He is fair, then He took into consideration when making man that there would be the problems with geographical regions, etc. and people being born into families who were unbelieving.
A few things that I strongly believe: One, I do think that everyone is chosen to go to heaven but not everyone chooses God and therefore those people who choose to reject God are free to do so. I do think that in circumstances where someone is not being preached to directly or does not have direct access to a church, etc. that God displays His love and His presence through creation--the trees, the hills, the mountains--everything speaks of God's hand. I also think that since we were created in God's image- that He has also written on our hearts--our being has been made to seek God, therefore, even if we are from another culture or have been brought up in an atheist home--our whole being will continue to search for that missing void.
I agree- some people seem to have a better shot at hearing God's word than others--that is why missions work is so important. However, I know of many people who grew up in Christian homes and later went on to reject everything they heard while growing up. Just being brought up in an environment that promotes it does not make it easier--in fact, a lot of these people claim that it was never real to them and that they were "spoon fed" the doctrine and they want nothing to do with it. On the flip side, I do know people who were brought up in homes that worshiped the devil, were full of evil practices and they did come to God with such a passion and desire to know more that it would put the guy who grew up in a Christian home to shame.
Another thing to remember- the bible talks about generational sin. In other words, unfortunately, the family we grow up in, can have sin from generations long ago that has been passed down from generation to generation. God allows families to choose their direction they want to go in since He must allow us to have free will.
The last thing too is that I really believe that God works even harder to speak to those who are lost. That person is the lost sheep, wandering off on his/her own. God does everything possible to draw near to this person. Everything but make the decision for them. Many people have no idea how many angels they have run into during the normal course of their day or who God has placed into our lives to draw us closer to Him. In the worst of times, God can actually be the closest.
The bible gives us all sorts of other examples too of individuals who have a very difficult time finding God, including those who are wealthy or powerful. I think we often forget about those people because we can rationalize that wealthy or powerful people can buy whatever they want or find out whatever information they want. However, due to their wealth and power, they often have a very difficult time admitting that they really do want or need God in their life. I think it is equally important that we spread the gospel to those who are wealthy and powerful.
In the end, while we can not totally ever completely understand God, if we choose to believe in Him and the message, then we must also believe that He is wise enough to have considered all the things that boggle our human mind. We also must believe that He loves us so much that he would not want "even one" to perish (as the bible says). Therefore, God will call everyone and seek everyone out. Everyone, though, has a stumbling block in their life--the devil makes sure that we all do--it is just different depending on who you are, where you are and where you are in your point of your life.
As far as Adam and Eve, I think the idea is that any human in that situation would have sinned sooner or later. It is in our nature to sin because there is evil on the earth. We can't "blame" our situation on them--because they only symbolize what each of us have done in our own life. Temptation and evil are part of a natural world but they are not part of heaven. When God created the earth, He allowed natural, earthly laws to take effect. The only other choice He had was to create the perfect world with perfect humans who worshiped him but then He would have created puppets. We can't show God true love if we are "forced" to show Him this love. That is submission because of fear but not because of love. To truly show God that we love Him is for us to choose God over all the other choices we can make--tempting choices, choices that "seem" alluring. That holds so much more weight than us just blindly saying "ok" like a robot.
I think the things you are questioning and thinking about are those things that every Christian has asked themselves--that every human has even asked themselves. That's because our human brain can't understand God's vast wisdom or all of His ways. Our version of "fair" is what our human brain can conceive of as fair...we can not possibly know how God has worked in someone's life or spoken to their heart. We can, though, spread God's word as best as we can, planting seeds that can grow in someone's heart. While we are not responsible for anyone's salvation, we are responsible for our actions and accountable for how we spend our time on the earth.
I don't know if any of what I said addresses your questions or some of your questions but I hope that helps.
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Sam-
9/14/2007 5:52:45 PM
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Just to let you know - I have not forgotten about your question - I will be working on the article tomorrow night which I hope will address most of your issues. I'll post here again when it's all done.
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arsindelve-
9/19/2007 7:32:14 PM
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